
Radical Space: An Interview with Margaret Kohn
Originally published in 2003, Radical Space: Building the House of the People resituates the built environment in the history of working-class mobilisation – the physical, tangible, often vernacular architecture housing radical democratic practice and political resistance.
We spoke to the author, Margaret Kohn, about how these ideas have evolved and the continued importance of shared social spaces in shaping alternative forms of economy and collective life.
JGF: Your book Radical Space argues that political theory has often overlooked the “power of places”, tending instead to privilege time and language in explanations of political transformation. What does focusing on space allow us to see that more conventional political histories miss?
MK: One thing I like to emphasise is the importance of what I call the ‘visceral register’. So this could include a lot of things, including emotion, body language, affect, and the precognitive dimensions of judgement. I think these are very important for how we relate to people and, ultimately, also political action. It's not the only way in which space or place can have an impact. There's also the more conventional understanding: if you look at symbols in the church, for example, you might have some sort of material depictions of ecclesiastical power. But what I'm really interested in is the way in which it stages encounters between different people.
There is also what I call the ‘phatic dimension’. This is the part of communication that is about maintaining social connection rather than just exchanging information. And I think all encounters have some sort of phatic dimension. But when we focus exclusively on language, I think what we really miss is how popular power operates.
Could you talk a bit about identity formation – what power does space have in that process that might not exist outside of particular spaces and buildings?
Well, I wouldn't say that it's unique, but it's an important site that's been overlooked. When I wrote this book 25 years ago, there was a great deal of emphasis on the Habermasian understanding of the bourgeois public sphere. This was initially something that was located in coffee houses and physical spaces, but as deliberative democracy was developed, it came to take the form of abstract reflections on morality and debates about ethics, so a bit of this rootedness in physical places was lost. And I think that's where we recognise the importance of coming together and the types of encounters that it facilitates. So think, for example, about the difference between reading a newspaper article and being in a demonstration or in a crowd. There's a sense of solidarity that comes through that physical encounter, and it's distinctive. I wouldn't say that it is more or less important, but it's overlooked and a dimension that we should be more attuned to.
One of the key arguments that Habermas makes is that the really distinctive judgements that citizens reach are only possible if they have a private space to retreat to. What we think of as the public sphere rests on the bourgeois standard of living, which allows you to reflect by yourself – and it’s in this way you can have a more unique insight. I was interested in thinking about what happens when you don't have that, when you're living in crowded conditions, when your life is much more collective, when you're working in a factory and you're not reflecting by yourself. And that leads to a different understanding of how it is that we connect.
All of this is also ultimately rooted in Marx's idea that class consciousness develops when we encounter people in the factory. But then what about when there's not an economy that's based primarily on factory employment? There were of course some big factories in Italy, but it was overall a much more agrarian and rural country. And so a lot of these Case del Popolo (Houses of the People) that I wrote about were rural organisations, and they were rooted in pre-existing communities, but could also be sites of politicisation and organisation.


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